Limiting belief: the most overused term in Game

“Limiting belief” is the most overused/incorrectly used term in game.

Here’s a sample conversation I see over and over:

Dude: “so I approached this girl and she said she was married, I looked over and she had a wedding ring on so I ejected”

MPUA Idiot: “BRO! That’s a limiting belief! My bald 5’3″ Indian friend fucked three hot white married women last year! with game anything is possible!!!”

Rinse and repeat. Whenever you attempt to make an optimal, rational decision in Game that results in not pursuing a certain angle, some jagoff will pipe in with a critique about how you didn’t push yourself hard enough and you just need to correct your “limiting beliefs”.

The traditional, and correct definition of a limiting belief is “a model of the world you hold that is actually incorrect and limits your progress”.

“I’m not confident enough to invite girls directly to my pad for a date” is a limiting belief.

“It’s impossible for an Asian guy to fuck white girls” is a limiting belief.

”Girls walking fast and looking at their phones while smiling are always on the way to meet their boyfriends.” is a limiting belief.

The following are not limiting beliefs:

“Inviting this girl directly to my gaff for a date increases the chances of a flake, so I’ll take her out instead”

”I could approach this white girl, but I’m an Asian guy, so I know I’ll have less chance with her. There’s an equally hot Asian girl over there, I’ll approach her instead”

“Girls walking fast and looking at their phones while smiling in daygame are usually on the way to meet their boyfriends, so I’m going to focus on other girls instead of approaching these ones.

This game is about optimization. For a limited amount of time X spent on Game, we need to get results Y. Focusing our time on moonshots is a non-optimal way of achieving results Y.

4 thoughts on “Limiting belief: the most overused term in Game

  1. > MPUA Idiot: “BRO! That’s a limiting belief! My bald 5’3″ Indian friend fucked three hot white married women last year! with game anything is possible!!!”

    THIS ^ sounds familiar to me… but from 5 – 10 years ago. Do you know guys that use this much these days? I almost never hear it. I miss all the old jargon. Some of it was very useful.

    The “Game can do anything” crowd is belligerent, but something I miss. I see guys that are very married to specific lines (“I am the prize”) but I wish I saw more of the Game Can Do Anything types. They are wrong… and that’s a newbie stance… but I kind of miss seeing that enthusiasm – particularly for a guy that was willing to put his ass on the line to prove it.

    > This game is about optimization. For a limited amount of time X spent on Game, we need to get results Y.

    I’ll argue this one…

    I think “EFFICIENCY” is mostly an idea that will send guys in the wrong direction. Not you. Not all guys, but most guys. Focus on “total experience,” not “efficiency of approach:lay (etc).”

    In your Twitter thread today, you said:

    > 2. It saps your time and willpower. Many guys act like they have unlimited willpower.
    > EVERY SET takes something out of you.

    THAT ^ is very good. 100%.

    It’s not what beginners should be thinking about, but I agree. Particularly sets where she is NOT into it. That often takes something out of me – I don’t get off on “taxing” girls.

    But in GENERAL: Efficiency is a minor consideration. I want to “create action” in my life. And to do that, I have to put in some effort, approach a lot… and that is MORE THAN OKAY. It is A+ triple OK to be inefficient, even long term, as long as “it’s working” in general. Efficiency is a 2ndary consideration.

    Guys get caught up in being efficient. Or saying: Dude you talked to 50 girls and none of them fucked you, I’d rather spend my time other ways. As long as they are getting laid as much as they want, I think they are right. But if they’re not, “efficiency” is a cope (I am NOT talking about you). It’s an excuse to not to try (clearly not you). It’s ego protection (also not you).

    I see what you’re saying about optimization, but that is not Game to me. Game = “Creating action with girls on demand.” Sometimes quickly, sometimes via more effort, but predictably. That is Game guys can feel.

    Your level of “optimized Game” is basically a “competitive stat” that isn’t really about the core of a man and the women in his life. I don’t think so. I think it’s “bragging rights” thing, and especially when beginners work to favor that stat instead of “total (good) experiences” they will retard their progress.

    Great topic. Viva Pancake.

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    1. >> Do you know guys that use this much these days?

      No, it’s an exaggeration. More guys will use it as an ego move to try to neg you for not doing as much with a certain set/girl as you should have.

      >> I think it’s “bragging rights” thing, and especially when beginners work to favor that stat instead of “total (good) experiences” they will retard their progress.

      Yes, but what a lot in the community lose sight of is that there’s more to life than just progressing at Game. You know, for example, that I’m a very dynamic guy. Game is always my fourth or fifth priority. Just another long line of skills that I hope to be advanced at.

      So if progress in Game is hindering progress in something else that you want to be good at, it becomes a bad thing. For the duration of my career (2016- ) I’ve been juggling 3-4 skills at once. If I dedicated myself only to Game I would be a lot better by now, but it was a calculated decision.

      I believe that dedicating a significant part of my 16 waking hours a day to Game saps my energy and is rarely the way I want to go (except for when I set time aside to do so, like I’m doing in New York City right now).

      Thus, the little time I do spend on this, I want it to be optimized. I want to get as good as possible, as fast as possible, in as little total time as possible.

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  2. BigJT

    ”I could approach this white girl, but I’m an Asian guy, so I know I’ll have less chance with her. There’s an equally hot Asian girl over there, I’ll approach her instead”

    This is a limiting belief. Sure, maybe data shows that an Asian guy has less chances with a white girl. There’s way too many variables at play to make a solid conclusion. This (debatable) fact shouldn’t deter you from talking to a woman solely based on both of your racial identities. Why not talk to both instead.

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    1. If you can talk to both, talk to both. But heuristics allow you to make a decision when talking to both isn’t an option (and this is where the “limiting belief” critics don’t understand decision theory).

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